Are 1099s really required?

Reading the IRS rules are very confusing. Most of the rules seem to apply to a Business.
WE ARE NOT A BUSINESS! Lets try this scenario…

As we age we need more help.
We have a “Cleaning Lady” who comes weekly plus as requested when we need help. She does more than just cleaning. She is becoming a friend as opposed to just a Cleaning Lady. We pay her hourly in cash.

Over the year, we estimate it will come to about 250 to 300 a month… call it 3000 a year. BTW, that is cheap compared to Assisted Living! We would rather age in place.

We also have a lawn guy… who gets $50 every 2 weeks during season… call it $700 a year.
Are we REQUIRED to issue 1099s in either case?
What if we don’t?

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Previously we had a Cleaning Service… so this was not an issue. BTW, we found the Cleaning Service too restrictive… 2 or 3 maids arrive for about 2 hours with a set list of tasks. Deviation from those tasks requires contacting the owner. Those extra tasks tend to be expensive.

It would be easier if you were just gifting them the money. Up to what, $14,000, a year. Of course if they hurt themselves on your property, you will get sued. Then, they were doing business for the money.

Yes, me too…

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You don’t think that’s fraud?

I don’t think the IRS is looking for $300/month violations. Besides, if neither party reports it, how would they know. In practical terms, there is a very large number of people that operate this way. If I pay my grand sons more than $600 a year for helping me cut wood, etc. do you think I’m going to report it?

What is legal and what is practical is not always the same.

Does that make it legal?

I personally know an individual who had their business employees do work at their private residence. That person was convicted of tax fraud and spent time in federal prison for it.

The general rules are that if am individual pays a business, you do not have to issue a 1099 to the business. If an individual pays another individual directly more than $600 in a years for services performed, a 1099 may be required depending on the control over the work. If you pay household help more than $2,400/year, that will trigger the requirement for the payer to make S/S and Medicare tax payments. If you recall, Prez Clinton lost two potential AGs who had hired household help but did pay S/S and Medicare taxes.

I would suspect that involved more than $300/month.

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What do you think the 87,000 new IRS agents are going to be doing?

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The OP is talking about $3,700 a year. The IRS does not state a monetary threshold for prosecuting fraud. The case I mentioned was for housecleaning. It was in the 1980’s and I’m pretty sure it didn’t involve more than $300/month either.

There Are not enough Ultra Rich for 87000 Agents…
IRS Marching Orders…

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There are 2.8 million people in the US making over $400,000 a year.

2.8 M divided by 87K equals 321. There are 250 workdays a year. That means that if one of the new IRS agents scrutinizes one $400k + return a day they still would not finish with them.

I think you can all relax… :thinking:

I believe it is more correctly 87,000 new employees.

Realize that it is not 87,000 new agents, but 87,000 new employees. Support staff are part of that number.

I feel so much better!!!

You do realize that few, if any, NFL Stadiums hold 87,000.

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  1. Audits, if you’re not doing anything nefarious, are not usually time-consuming or tedious. I’ve been thru five of them.

  2. If you were in the business of doing FIT audits, would you spend time auditing average-income filers?

  3. Only two US cities have a population over 2.8M people. NY and LA.

Question: Can they collect more in taxes than the cost of their Salaries, Benefits and expenses?

You talk of Middle income… the biggest scam is the claims of the EIC!
Wonder if they will hit them?

Yes, they can. The funding for the IRS in 2021 was 20% less than it was in 2010. In 2021 the IRS received 20M more personal tax returns than it did in 2010. Does that make sense to you?

Please elaborate on your EIC scam claim. The cost of raising a kid to 18 yrs of age today is $310K. Don’t you feel a household doing so while making less than $58,000 a year deserves a tax break?

Are you asking if taxpayers should subsidize parents that cannot afford the children that they chose to have ?