Sounds like an infomercial to me. In 46 years of practice, never heard of anything similar. Poor nutrition can be ONE factor in gum disease. Actually, gum disease is best described as a hyper-immune response to bacteria and their toxic byproducts. Immune response varies tremendously between patients.
Henrius, what are you implying? I recommend a provider that has revolutionized my life and you accuse me of Infomercial? Isnāt that what forums are for? Modern Medical Professionals are woefully ignorant of healthy living, as I have been a victim of their ignorance. People on here have offered to come to your office. Is that not infomercial?
Periodontal disease is essentially a hyper-immune response, not an under-immune response. The immune system hyper-reacts to bacteria and their byproducts.
Nutritional deficiency reduces collagen synthesis and can contribute to gum disease. So can uncontrolled diabetes. I have not examined you, but what you describe sounds like a lot of holistic quackery that is going on these days.
Like so many others, you resort to insults instead of facts. You say ānutritional deficiencyā¦.ā Yet when I said that nutrition fixed my bleeding gums that my expensive DMD couldnāt, you call it quackery. And in saying that you are also implying I am too stupid to manage my own health. My mother died of cancer at 41 and spent a LOT of time and money on modern medicine. At 77 I can outperform people half my age, because of Traditional Healing that has worked for thousands of years. Not modern medicine which is a āpracticeā for hundreds of years.
I am not insulting you. Unless you were nutritionally deficient in the traditional sense, your story just does not make sense.
If you recall, Steve Jobs died when he rejected modern treatment for pancreatic cancer and wasted time fooling with āalternative treatment.ā
Everything must have a scientific explanation. Perhaps you can explain, in specific biological terms, what happened to you.
Henrius: Not everything in life needs or even has a scientific explanation. Have you ever heard of miracles? Maybe you donāt believe in miracles even though there are many well documented cases in medical history where patients healed with no scientific / medical explanation behind it.
As for Steve Jobs, your comment that he āwasted time fooling with alternative treatmentā is your opinion, not facts! Do you know for a fact that he would have lived if he followed āmodern treatmentsā? Or even if he did, that he would have lived a full life, or even a comfortable one? If so, then you are a very powerful psychic andā¦wellā¦that is just total quackery, right!?!?
Lyn was just sharing her personal experience. Sheās not asking others to follow her path or go against the medical advice you and/or other āmedical professionalsā give their patients.
I, personally, have followed both mainstream medical doctorās advice as well as holistic practitioners and have had success and failures with both. What works for one may not work for another. Itās up to each individual to be their own health advocate and do whatever works best for them and their body.
Yes, everything in life has a scientific explanation. That is why mankind has made progress in increasing living standards. Through proving or disproving beliefs by scientific research, preferably by double-blind studies.
Pancreatic cancer is only curable if caught very early. Jobsā was caught early, and he avoided early treatment by his own choice. My son is studying oncology, and he relays exciting advancements at MD Anderson of battling cancer by immunology.
āAlternative treatmentsā are subject to scientific validation as well. Many such treatments have been scientifically studied. We are constantly revising treatment regimens based on what proves most effective in clinical trials. I have been involved in such clinical trials. You would not believe how complicated the rules are to avoid bias.
Whether a person will live a ācomfortableā life after any therapy is subjective, and highly variable depending on individual response to treatment.
It is saddening to discover how gullible certain segments of the population have become to unsubstantiated claims. I see it weekly with my patient base- wasting resources on ineffective or even harmful treatments they see hawked on TV or social media.
I am not going to respond after this post. You used āgullibleā to describe those of us who donāt take Modern Medicine wholesale. Thatās me. and you donāt know me. My gums bled from childhood. I went to Dentists every 6 months till I was 60. I did everything they said, and they didnāt believe me, essentially saying I was lying. At 60 a nutritionist changed my diet and my gums stopped bleeding. Facts. Unfortunately, the degradation of my mouth was too far gone to save the 32 teeth I had. I am stabilized now and hopefully wonāt lose any more.
From what youāve shared, it sounds like you had an imbalanced gut microbiome (which your dietary changes most likely addressed) and from what holistic / naturopathic doctors as well as ātraditionalā medical doctors have found, the gut microbiome plays a HUGE part in oneās overall health. Iām including an article published by the National Library of Medicine that proves the relation of the gut microbiome to oral healthā¦for those who need scientific proof:
Iām sorry it took you so long to find relief from your dental issues, but glad that you finally did! ![]()
Oh heavens, why would anyone need scientific proof for anything when there are tons of testimonials on TV and the internet?
Kudos to you for finding a credible scientific article about the subject. I browsed the article which is a LITERATURE REVIEW and not a RESEARCH article.
It is worth noting that although caries was much rarer in prehistoric populations, gum disease was not. Which leads one to conclude that a key factor in gum disease is variability of individual immune responses. Prevalence of diseases like Lupus are demonstrative of that variability as well.
Worth noting also is the fact that marijuana smoking and vaping alters the native oral microflora. I see it more and more.
Lyn may well have had a transformative experience due to dietary modification like I have never seen in 49 years of treating patients. Please note the fact that she said her symptoms were just bleeding, and not ligamental damage and bone loss. Many things can be responsible for more gingival bleeding- aspirin ingestion, clotting disorders, and hormonal irregularities. It is not clear whether Lyn merely had gingivitis, or full blown periodontal disease. If merely bleeding that stopped, it could be attributed to increase in Vitamin K ingestion.
There are a lot of health hoaxes out there. They all should be tested by the double-blind studies where possible. One only has to look at the widespread popularity of the disastrous Smile Direct Club to see how many suckers are available to fall for health care scams.
Thanks, Dede, yes, all the bloggers are focusing on gut issues. I too, wish I had found answers sooner, but I am doing great now and hope to inspire others, especially since insurance and medical care have become too expensive for some people.