# How the Richest Get Richer **URL:** \ **Category:** Uncategorized\ **Created:** [June 8, 2023, 3:18pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/how-the-richest-get-richer/2941 "2023-06-08T15:18:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Joe\_Black\_Sr](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/community.clark.com/joe_black_sr/32/1524_2.png) [@Joe\_Black\_Sr](https://community.clark.com/u/Joe_Black_Sr)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2023, 8:01pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/how-the-richest-get-richer/2941/83 "2023-06-27T20:01:37Z")
I agree with you. They have been. I have some family and close friends that have told me these stories. During the 90’s they were horrible, and Bush came down on them to some degree they did let up, but have gotten back to it. My own experience was a nightmare. They had my wife in tears for a year trying to straighten out an error, that wasn’t even real. The agents lied to us, told us not to call, and then closed the case and took a couple of grand from my next riling. I finally found an ombudsman in Memphis to help me. He walked directly to the desk of that agent and found our file and they returned all of the money in a week. They know they are wrong, but there is no accountability, and suing them is futile. I couldn’t get a lawyer to hardly write a single letter for the $2k, and they know it! A flat tax or a Fair tax! Just get rid of the IRS as it is today, not triple its size. At least take that money and get a real IT System. I think they are still running on Windows 98. ---
**Author:** ![H200h](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e79b87/32.png) [@H200h](https://community.clark.com/u/H200h)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2023, 8:36pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/how-the-richest-get-richer/2941/84 "2023-06-27T20:36:44Z")
> [@Joe\_Black\_Sr](#): > > One example I’ve seen recently was an IRS Raid on a gun shop for some very ambiguous reasons, and they took all of the shops records mainly those of their purchasers since forever. Those won’t help the IRS get anymore taxes. What is does do is start creating a list of gun owners for the government, whichthey really have no right to, but small businesses and individuals have a hard time fighting them. The IRS can, and has fiscally broken many people to get what they want. And, yes that came in unannounced with guns! They weren’t the 1% by a long shot. Most people have had no contact with the IRS, but those that have can tell yo some horrifying stories. They make their own rules, have their own courts and judges. Joe\_Black\_Sr…are you related to Margorie Taylor Greene? ---
**Author:** ![Joe\_Black\_Sr](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/community.clark.com/joe_black_sr/32/1524_2.png) [@Joe\_Black\_Sr](https://community.clark.com/u/Joe_Black_Sr)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2023, 9:28pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/how-the-richest-get-richer/2941/85 "2023-06-27T21:28:59Z")
Oh, so you’re saying it didn’t happen? Or, you just don’t agree with my opinion. How many 1% are the armed IRS agents going to audit? How many 1%'ers are there? You would be in a minority if you truly believe that these agents aren’t going after small businesses and the middle class, but you may be related to Adam Schiff, then. ---
**Author:** ![geezerpk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f475e1/32.png) [@geezerpk](https://community.clark.com/u/geezerpk)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2023, 2:49am UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/how-the-richest-get-richer/2941/86 "2023-06-28T02:49:05Z")
> **[Tax audits drop for the highest earners](https://www.axios.com/2022/03/10/tax-audits-drop-for-the-highest-earners)** > > Yet, it's the wealthy who are more likely to evade taxes ---
**Author:** ![Joe\_Black\_Sr](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/community.clark.com/joe_black_sr/32/1524_2.png) [@Joe\_Black\_Sr](https://community.clark.com/u/Joe_Black_Sr)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2023, 3:50am UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/how-the-richest-get-richer/2941/87 "2023-06-28T03:50:10Z")
Very interesting! Avoid, is not a crime, but evade is. If they are evading taxes as you believe they would be in jail. The only ones that can evade paying taxes are those named Biden. I hope you’ll get past your envy of the productive class. It isn’t healthy. ---
**Author:** ![H200h](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e79b87/32.png) [@H200h](https://community.clark.com/u/H200h)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2023, 2:48pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/how-the-richest-get-richer/2941/88 "2023-06-28T14:48:42Z")
> [@Joe\_Black\_Sr](#): > > Oh, so you’re saying it didn’t happen? Or, you just don’t agree with my opinion. How many 1% are the armed IRS agents going to audit? How many 1%'ers are there? You would be in a minority if you truly believe that these agents aren’t going after small businesses and the middle class, but you may be related to Adam Schiff, then. Note: JBS… you need to indicate who you are responding to in your posts. I’m saying your stories sound similar to MTG’s colorful and creative ones. There are 1.6 million taxpayers in the top 1% of taxpayers. You can do your own research on your other silly irrelevant questions, I’m not doing it for you. And for obvious reasons, the only IRS agents authorized to carry and use guns are those in the criminal (CI) division. That’s about 3% of IRS folks. You’d have a lot more credibility if you were to stick to facts and not depend on colorful and largely irrellevant anecdotes to make your point. ---
**Author:** ![geezerpk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f475e1/32.png) [@geezerpk](https://community.clark.com/u/geezerpk)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2023, 6:34pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/how-the-richest-get-richer/2941/89 "2023-06-28T18:34:42Z")
> [@Joe\_Black\_Sr](#): > > Very interesting! Avoid, is not a crime, but evade is Are your referencing the link I provided? It, and I, are not talking tax avoidance, it’s referring to the tendency over the past decade or so of audits of the upper earning tax payers to “evasion”. And it’s costing the country bazilions every year. ---
**Author:** ![geezerpk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f475e1/32.png) [@geezerpk](https://community.clark.com/u/geezerpk)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2023, 6:45pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/how-the-richest-get-richer/2941/90 "2023-06-28T18:45:09Z")
> [@Joe\_Black\_Sr](#): > > The only ones that can evade paying taxes are those named Biden. Keeps on diggin’ there Joe Senior, you’ve just about made that hole deep enough to be escape proof… good luck with that. 😇 ---
**Author:** ![Joe\_Black\_Sr](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/community.clark.com/joe_black_sr/32/1524_2.png) [@Joe\_Black\_Sr](https://community.clark.com/u/Joe_Black_Sr)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2023, 8:28pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/how-the-richest-get-richer/2941/91 "2023-06-28T20:28:50Z")
I’m not digging the hole, the Biden’s are and 6 separate whistleblowers can testify to it. And, these are real whistleblowers, not the type Adam Schiff and the Dems conjure up. ---
**Author:** ![Joe\_Black\_Sr](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/community.clark.com/joe_black_sr/32/1524_2.png) [@Joe\_Black\_Sr](https://community.clark.com/u/Joe_Black_Sr)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2023, 8:36pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/how-the-richest-get-richer/2941/92 "2023-06-28T20:36:05Z")
Paul, that’s very interesting that they know who they are and how much they are cheating but don’t do anything about it. If they knew that much, why haven’t they audited them? Most likely they have been audited and those are more of those guesstimates they make like Obama Care wouldn’t raise anyone’s healthcare costs and it would be mostly paid for by all of those other guesstimates they made, but that never materializes, Like All of the proof os the last 8 years that they claimed to have. But, you got what you wanted 87k armed IRS agents, and they are arming them. Ammo has been in short supply and Gun Stocks are going up. So, let’s see those billions start rolling in! I hope you are correct. I need some help on my taxes, but I really doubt that they would lower the rates is they get a windfall revenue collection. ---
**Author:** ![Joe\_Black\_Sr](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/community.clark.com/joe_black_sr/32/1524_2.png) [@Joe\_Black\_Sr](https://community.clark.com/u/Joe_Black_Sr)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2023, 8:45pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/how-the-richest-get-richer/2941/93 "2023-06-28T20:45:55Z")
And, to H200h, you are correct, I really wasn’t paying attention to the fact I was answering to the general thread. My apologies! And, I’ve done the research. Before this new multi-billion dollar IRS expansion, the Crime division was the only armed agents, but that doesn’t really fit with the recent wishy-washy explanation of why they needed it. I hope you are correct and I won’t see an armed IRS agent at my door or my business’s door. I want to see the billions of uncollected tax revenue pouring in. It better be big to counter the costs to the taxpayer. Do you really think the IRS is smarter than the corporations and their Tax people? We all know they are more ruthless and can make up the rules as they go along, so they always win whether they are right or not. It’s just not the world I care to live in. I’ll concede when I see it! ---
**Author:** ![H200h](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e79b87/32.png) [@H200h](https://community.clark.com/u/H200h)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2023, 4:41am UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/how-the-richest-get-richer/2941/94 "2023-06-29T04:41:10Z")
> [@Joe\_Black\_Sr](#): > > Before this new multi-billion dollar IRS expansion, the Crime division was the only armed agents, but that doesn’t really fit with the recent wishy-washy explanation of why they needed it. #1. Your statement doesn’t make sense. #2. As said earlier in this thread, (post #69) the IRS has been under-funded for over 10 years. As a result they have had to reduce headcount by 9,000 while the number of tax returns filed has increased 20 million. The IRS currently has a total of 74,454 employees of making an average of $45,000 a year. The reason people get away with tax fraud is mainly due to the lack of enforcement, which in turn is partly due to underfunding and manpower shortages at the IRS. ---
**Author:** ![Joe\_Black\_Sr](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/community.clark.com/joe_black_sr/32/1524_2.png) [@Joe\_Black\_Sr](https://community.clark.com/u/Joe_Black_Sr)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2023, 12:48pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/how-the-richest-get-richer/2941/95 "2023-06-29T12:48:14Z")
To H200h: I understand. But, you have to admit that it’s suspicious that they all of a sudden have determined that and know so much as fact. I guess the proof will be in the pudding. I’ll be looking for the pudding as I’m sure you will too. If you are correct, hopefully those Billions of extra dollars will be used to pay down out debt, but I wouldn’t hold my breath. ---
**Author:** ![H200h](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e79b87/32.png) [@H200h](https://community.clark.com/u/H200h)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2023, 3:30pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/how-the-richest-get-richer/2941/96 "2023-06-29T15:30:35Z")
> [@Joe\_Black\_Sr](#): > > hopefully those Billions of extra dollars will be used to pay down out debt, but I wouldn’t hold my breath. In order to pay down the debt we need to stop spending more than we take in. It’s the first step and it takes an agreement between our legislature and approval by the POTUS. Right now the legislature is too busy firing off gotcha bullets at each other and loading their political pistols for the next shot to pay attention to saving our country from bankruptcy. We just have to hope they either get tired of the game they are playing and go to work or kill each other off and we as voting citizens elect people who actually want to get something done. Whatever happens… the result is our fault… it’s up to us. ---
**Author:** ![H200h](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e79b87/32.png) [@H200h](https://community.clark.com/u/H200h)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2023, 3:43pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/how-the-richest-get-richer/2941/97 "2023-06-29T15:43:52Z")
> [@Joe\_Black\_Sr](#): > > To H200h: I understand. But, you have to admit that it’s suspicious that they all of a sudden have determined that and know so much as fact. You need to re-examine the sources that provide the “facts” you rely on to make decisions. ---
**Author:** ![Joe\_Black\_Sr](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/community.clark.com/joe_black_sr/32/1524_2.png) [@Joe\_Black\_Sr](https://community.clark.com/u/Joe_Black_Sr)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2023, 4:15pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/how-the-richest-get-richer/2941/98 "2023-06-29T16:15:28Z")
It wasn’t those you refer to as firing the “Gotcha Bullets” that spent the money! It was the ones prior firing the blank “Gotcha” bullets that did this. I’m OK with my facts, as long as they are slinging guesstimates and hypotheses around. As I said, the proof is in the pudding. The IRS is getting billions extra so that they will bring in multiple billion later. The pudding will be due soon enough. And, you are absolutely correct about the debt! Cut spending, and get on a balanced budget, but what’s stopping that? ---
**Author:** ![H200h](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e79b87/32.png) [@H200h](https://community.clark.com/u/H200h)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2023, 5:39pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/how-the-richest-get-richer/2941/99 "2023-06-29T17:39:15Z")
> [@Joe\_Black\_Sr](#): > > I’m OK with my facts Therein “lies” the problem. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![butler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ac91a4/32.png) [@butler](https://community.clark.com/u/butler)\ **Post date:** [June 29, 2023, 11:00pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/how-the-richest-get-richer/2941/100 "2023-06-29T23:00:00Z")
We are kind of in a “death spiral” on this thread. Basically, one group thinks that they should keep as much of their income as possible. The other group want to take as much of that income as possible. ---
**Author:** ![H200h](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e79b87/32.png) [@H200h](https://community.clark.com/u/H200h)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2023, 3:43am UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/how-the-richest-get-richer/2941/101 "2023-06-30T03:43:09Z")
> [@butler](#): > > Basically, one group thinks that they should keep as much of their income as possible. The other group want to take as much of that income as possible. The discussion has revolved around the ultra-rich buying political favors from the legislature and the IRS being adequately funded and conducting audits that have proven fruitful. Could it be that some of us just want everyone enjoying the benefits of US citizenship to follow the rule of law an pay their fair share? It would appear that others either want to avoid scrutiny of their own tax returns or assist the ultra-rich in buying special treatment to circumvent the laws the rest of us must follow. I think the ones who cheat and break the tax laws are the ones taking from the ones following the rules. I find it hard understand why any fair-minded taxpaying citizen would decide to help the cheaters. ---
**Author:** ![butler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ac91a4/32.png) [@butler](https://community.clark.com/u/butler)\ **Post date:** [June 30, 2023, 1:20pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/how-the-richest-get-richer/2941/102 "2023-06-30T13:20:44Z")
> [@H200h](#): > > Could it be that some of us just want everyone enjoying the benefits of US citizenship to follow the rule of law an pay their fair share? It would appear that others either want to avoid scrutiny of their own tax returns or assist the ultra-rich in buying special treatment to circumvent the laws the rest of us must follow. Everyone agrees that people breaking the law should get punished, but that is not the same as people legally exploiting the tax code. Please define “fair share” ? Is it the same for everyone? Shouldn’t everyone pay taxes to enjoy the full benefit of US citizenship…not just half of the people ? > [@H200h](#): > > I think the ones who cheat and break the tax laws are the ones taking from the ones following the rules. I find it hard understand why any fair-minded taxpaying citizen would decide to help the cheaters. This is only possible because of the complexity of the tax code…yet the same people complaining are the same people that don’t want to change it. This is the definition of insanity… You spend a lot of time obsessing about what other people pay in taxes. Maybe you could try putting that same energy into government spending of your tax dollars. [Previous page](https://community.clark.com/t/how-the-richest-get-richer/2941.md?page=4) [Next page](https://community.clark.com/t/how-the-richest-get-richer/2941.md?page=6)