# EV's Will Change Things **URL:** \ **Category:** Cars\ **Created:** [March 13, 2022, 3:36pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/evs-will-change-things/146 "2022-03-13T15:36:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![H200h](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e79b87/32.png) [@H200h](https://community.clark.com/u/H200h)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2022, 4:24pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/evs-will-change-things/146/45 "2022-03-26T16:24:09Z")
> [@jimtoo](#): > > That’s a gross over generalization. We have friends who live in Surprise AZ, similar to but tamer than the Villages. Most residents in their community have golf cars (no t). They can be driven on any street where the speed limit is 35 or less. Many folks do not even own a car because all services are available nearby. Oh, the vast majority of the golf cars are electric and have been since the early 2000s. They charge over night because of the reduced costs. I was being facetious because I assumed the poster was using observed anecdotal information to make his point. From what I can tell from a little Internet research about The Villages is that you can’t tell. The info is so saturated with user and self-appointed “expert” opinions and golf cart dealer’s profit-motivated pitches it’s next impossible to get to any real data on the subject. Most of my friends in those places use electric carts. All the people I know who live in my area who own side-by-side ATVs have gas models but for those who own golf course carts most all have electric models. ---
**Author:** ![sbro4630](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/779978/32.png) [@sbro4630](https://community.clark.com/u/sbro4630)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 12:48am UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/evs-will-change-things/146/46 "2022-03-29T00:48:10Z")
One other advantage about EVs: no worries about theft of catalytic converters or gas. > **[Catalytic converter theft increasing across the country in 2022](https://www.foxnews.com/us/catalytic-converter-theft-increasing-across-the-country-in-2022)** > > Catalytic converter theft is on the rise across the country with many states looking to pass legislation to prevent the crime. ---
**Author:** ![clydewolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clydewolf](https://community.clark.com/u/clydewolf)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 12:59pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/evs-will-change-things/146/47 "2022-03-29T12:59:25Z")
When the power has gone out I have taken a charger with me to my local gas station and connected it to their power system and pumped gasoline for my self and several other people. ---
**Author:** ![H200h](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e79b87/32.png) [@H200h](https://community.clark.com/u/H200h)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 4:00pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/evs-will-change-things/146/48 "2022-03-29T16:00:49Z")
Reliability of electrical service is a regional thing in the mainland US. Losing power for extended periods of time was a regular occurrence when I lived in South-Central Alaska, sometimes for days. There, it was common to see private homes with backup generators. Some were fueled by natural; gas and many were designed to kick in automatically when the power went off. Many, if not most filling stations had backup gen sets. Lavarock probably has a similar situation in HI. But here in Idaho, in ten years time, I haven’t experienced half a dozen power outages. And of those, I can remember just a couple that lasted over 10 minutes. And that power is relatively cheap. In the winter season I pay a maximum of 9.64 cents a kwh over 2,000 kwh/mo. and 8.3 cents a kwh under 2,000 kwh per month. In the summer the rates go up to 9.36 cents and 12.14 per kwh. Your mileage may vary. 🤓 ---
**Author:** ![SonoranSilkies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@SonoranSilkies](https://community.clark.com/u/SonoranSilkies)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2022, 6:26pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/evs-will-change-things/146/49 "2022-03-29T18:26:12Z")
$53,500 is still a huge chunk of change. I’ll continue driving my 20 year old car that is still comfortable, and in great shape. ---
**Author:** ![H200h](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e79b87/32.png) [@H200h](https://community.clark.com/u/H200h)\ **Post date:** [March 30, 2022, 1:22am UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/evs-will-change-things/146/50 "2022-03-30T01:22:30Z")
We’re in the change-every-ten-years thing. I think the technology and safety features are worth the money. I control most of the creature comforts, communications, navigation and entertainment systems with Google Voice. Like “Hey Google… turn up the AC for the rear passengers.” ---
**Author:** ![PropofolMask](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/6f9a4e/32.png) [@PropofolMask](https://community.clark.com/u/PropofolMask)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2022, 3:33am UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/evs-will-change-things/146/51 "2022-04-01T03:33:58Z")
Sorry, but I don’t think electric vehicles are ready for prime time. To understand why, check out [this piece](https://www.cfact.org/2022/01/05/imagine-electric-vehicle-usage-in-inclement-weather/) by Ronald Stein. ---
**Author:** ![butler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ac91a4/32.png) [@butler](https://community.clark.com/u/butler)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2022, 3:44am UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/evs-will-change-things/146/52 "2022-04-01T03:44:24Z")
> [@PropofolMask](#): > > Sorry, but I don’t think electric vehicles are ready for prime time. To understand why, check out [this piece](https://www.cfact.org/2022/01/05/imagine-electric-vehicle-usage-in-inclement-weather/) by Ronald Stein. Good strategy to pick a fringe event to make a point. I will take my EV and laugh all the way to the bank. Meanwhile, you be afraid of the apocalyptical events and drive your ICE vehicle spending $4-$6 / gallon on gas ---
**Author:** ![H200h](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e79b87/32.png) [@H200h](https://community.clark.com/u/H200h)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2022, 3:24pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/evs-will-change-things/146/53 "2022-04-01T15:24:06Z")
> [@PropofolMask](#): > > Sorry, but I don’t think electric vehicles are ready for prime time. To understand why, check out [this piece](https://www.cfact.org/2022/01/05/imagine-electric-vehicle-usage-in-inclement-weather/) by Ronald Stein. Interesting article!.. here are some more details: 1. Ronald Stein is the founder of [PTS Advance. Here is a statement from their website](https://ptsadvance.com/about-us/): “PTS Advance is proud to be the largest specialist provider of technical talent to the United States’ Oil, Gas & Chemicals, Power & Renewables, Life Sciences, Construction & Infrastructure and Manufacturing industries.” 2. Your [linked article](https://www.cfact.org/2022/01/05/imagine-electric-vehicle-usage-in-inclement-weather/) was published by CFACT. CFACT’s stated goal is: “goal is to enhance the fruitfulness of the earth and all of its inhabitants.” 3. CFACT is governed by a Board of Directors that includes founding president David Rothbard. Staffers include communications director Marc Morano and policy analyst Paul Driessen. All of these guys are actively involved in various climate-change-denial and pro fossil-fuel groups. [Check it out here.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_for_a_Constructive_Tomorrow) ---
**Author:** ![PropofolMask](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/6f9a4e/32.png) [@PropofolMask](https://community.clark.com/u/PropofolMask)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 12:00am UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/evs-will-change-things/146/54 "2022-04-02T00:00:55Z")
If every single California resident were to own an electric vehicle, the state’s power grid might not be able to handle the situation. People should stop dismissing nuclear power. ---
**Author:** ![H200h](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e79b87/32.png) [@H200h](https://community.clark.com/u/H200h)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2022, 3:50am UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/evs-will-change-things/146/55 "2022-04-02T03:50:03Z")
If every household had an [average residential solar array they would each produce 720 to 900 kWh](https://www.solarreviews.com/blog/how-much-electricity-does-a-solar-panel-produce#:~:text=A%20typical%20solar%20panel%20system,893%20kWh%20of%20electricity%20monthly). per month. The average EV today will go about 3 miles on one kWh. That means they could drive an average EV 2,160 to 2,700 miles a month with no impact on the electrical grid. According to the Federal Highway Administration, the average American travels nearly 13,500 vehicle miles per year. At that level of driving, most EVs will require around 4,000 kWh of electricity per year to operate. Electric vehicles are in their developmental infancy. Over the next few decades we will see huge changes in energy production and storage. Things like [quantum batteries](https://phys.org/news/2022-01-superabsorption-key-next-generation-quantum-batteries.html) and [more efficient solar energy production](https://www.cleanenergyreviews.info/blog/most-efficient-solar-panels) will make ICE-powered cars a thing of the past. > **[Electric Car kWh Per Mile List \[277 kWh/Mile Listed\]](https://ecocostsavings.com/electric-car-kwh-per-mile-list/)** > > Which electric car uses the least amount of electricity per mile? Find out here & see the Electric Car kWh Per Mile List which details results for 277 models. > **[Most efficient solar panels 2022 — Clean Energy Reviews](https://www.cleanenergyreviews.info/blog/most-efficient-solar-panels)** > > Why is solar panel efficiency important? We explain the misconceptions around efficiency and list the most efficient panels from the leading manufacturers using the latest PV cell technology. > **[Superabsorption unlocks key to next-generation quantum batteries](https://phys.org/news/2022-01-superabsorption-key-next-generation-quantum-batteries.html)** > > Researchers at the University of Adelaide and their overseas partners have taken a key step in making quantum batteries a reality. They have successfully proved the concept of superabsorption, a crucial idea underpinning quantum batteries. ---
**Author:** ![Klimateguy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/47e85d/32.png) [@Klimateguy](https://community.clark.com/u/Klimateguy)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2022, 5:37am UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/evs-will-change-things/146/56 "2022-04-22T05:37:26Z")
For those who might be interested in checking out electric cars, there might be an Earthday event near you. Here’s a link that you might find helpful: > **[Attend Drive Electric Earth Day](https://driveelectricearthday.org/attend?promoid=7013q000002H3ZcAAK&utm_medium=email&utm_source=sierraclub&utm_campaign=greentransportation&db_token=f25286aa0686a0599cec1c7f2be5a7ddab8422fb7b3a3458d95478c72fa61d1b83908ed5bc02c5a3dfdfe08abec1474c)** > > Sign up to attend a Drive Electric Earth Day event. #DEED2022 I’ll be answering questions about my Tesla Model 3 and electric cars and related topics in general in Lewisville on Saturday April 23 for those in the Dallas/ Fort Worth area. There are events around the country but many have already taken place. ---
**Author:** ![H200h](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e79b87/32.png) [@H200h](https://community.clark.com/u/H200h)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2022, 3:59pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/evs-will-change-things/146/57 "2022-04-22T15:59:28Z")
Here’s a fairly recent development: [Ford is splitting it’s organization](https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/exclusive-ford-set-announce-plans-run-ev-ice-separate-businesses-sources-2022-03-02/) to facilitate EV manufacturing. > **[EXCLUSIVE Ford set to announce plans to run EV, ICE as separate businesses...](https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/exclusive-ford-set-announce-plans-run-ev-ice-separate-businesses-sources-2022-03-02/)** > > Ford Motor Co on Wednesday will announce a reorganization under which its electric vehicle (EV) and internal-combustion engine (ICE) units will be run as separate businesses in a move to fast track growth in EVs, three people familiar with the plan... ---
**Author:** ![PricePerformer](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/community.clark.com/priceperformer/32/159_2.png) [@PricePerformer](https://community.clark.com/u/PricePerformer)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2022, 4:26pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/evs-will-change-things/146/58 "2022-04-22T16:26:38Z")
> [@jimtoo](#): > > Oh, the vast majority of the golf cars are electric and have been since the early 2000s. They charge over night because of the reduced costs. Don’t know about Arizona but the YouTube Videos by “The Villages Newcomers” report 80% of the Golf Cars are Gas. They report that with the size of the Villages that Electric is iffy? ---
**Author:** ![H200h](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e79b87/32.png) [@H200h](https://community.clark.com/u/H200h)\ **Post date:** [April 22, 2022, 6:16pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/evs-will-change-things/146/59 "2022-04-22T18:16:54Z")
[The Villages consists of an area approximately 5mi X 10mi](https://goo.gl/maps/UZemZVm7nMJVKQBC8). Even with that small area of around 50 sq/mi I would think that a compact SUV BEV would be a better choice than either a gas or electric golf car for use in The Villages. But as far as golf carts in general go, [electricity seems the go-juice of choice](https://www.fortunebusinessinsights.com/golf-cart-market-106337): ![carts](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/clark/original/1X/c17df7788968a13ee7ec2ef53c6e8275da6a8eb9.gif) ---
**Author:** ![H200h](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e79b87/32.png) [@H200h](https://community.clark.com/u/H200h)\ **Post date:** [April 23, 2022, 2:23pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/evs-will-change-things/146/60 "2022-04-23T14:23:08Z")
[**Power roads charge cars while driving**](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cSCsIFREmg) In the future, you may not need to plug in your EV… 🤓 [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/clark/original/2X/2/268cae5d5d7a49b73ae04a3c77ba70485948f5e4.jpeg "The Future Of Electric Vehicle Charging? Tech Company Turns Streets Into Charging Pads") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cSCsIFREmg) ---
**Author:** ![clydewolf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/839c29/32.png) [@clydewolf](https://community.clark.com/u/clydewolf)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2022, 5:08pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/evs-will-change-things/146/61 "2022-04-24T17:08:17Z")
Is the cabin heated with electric heaters? ---
**Author:** ![H200h](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e79b87/32.png) [@H200h](https://community.clark.com/u/H200h)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2022, 9:51pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/evs-will-change-things/146/62 "2022-04-24T21:51:25Z")
My Volvo BEV uses direct heat for seats and steering wheel and a heat pump for the cabin. I’d guess with all that air volume to heat in a bus, they’d use a heat pump. ---
**Author:** ![H200h](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e79b87/32.png) [@H200h](https://community.clark.com/u/H200h)\ **Post date:** [April 25, 2022, 6:19pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/evs-will-change-things/146/63 "2022-04-25T18:19:45Z")
[**Ford’s Lighting Home Electrical Backup is a Real Thing!**](https://www.cars.com/articles/how-the-2022-ford-f-150-lightning-can-power-your-home-for-days-446524/) I’ve been doing some research on home solar panels and electrical storage solutions. When Ford first advertised their 2022 F-150 Lightning P/U as a practical residential home backup solution I assumed it was just sales hype. But, in fact, the Lighting will be able to power the average American SFR home for three days! And up to 10 days with power rationing. Here’s the Ford Lightning story: > **[How the 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning Can Power Your Home for Days | News | Cars.com](https://www.cars.com/articles/how-the-2022-ford-f-150-lightning-can-power-your-home-for-days-446524/)** > > February 2, 2022 - Ford’s Intelligent Backup Power, in conjunction with an optional 80-amp charging station and additional equipment, can power a home for up to three days of estimated normal usage or 10 days of rationed usage. ---
**Author:** ![ochotona](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/community.clark.com/ochotona/32/293_2.png) [@ochotona](https://community.clark.com/u/ochotona)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2022, 4:27pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/evs-will-change-things/146/64 "2022-07-14T16:27:02Z")
That is on the verge of happening now here in Texas, where our grid was basically designed by Enron. “The smartest guys in the room.” The politicians love their campaign contributions. Vote them out, Texas! [Previous page](https://community.clark.com/t/evs-will-change-things/146.md?page=2) [Next page](https://community.clark.com/t/evs-will-change-things/146.md?page=4)