# Are We Nearing the EV Tipping Point? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cars\ **Created:** [September 20, 2023, 2:58pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/are-we-nearing-the-ev-tipping-point/3492 "2023-09-20T14:58:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![robertpri](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@robertpri](https://community.clark.com/u/robertpri)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 10:26pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/are-we-nearing-the-ev-tipping-point/3492/61 "2023-09-25T22:26:36Z")
I think any big city dwellers without a home system will have problems. ---
**Author:** ![OU812](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/community.clark.com/ou812/32/1549_2.png) [@OU812](https://community.clark.com/u/OU812)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2023, 10:28pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/are-we-nearing-the-ev-tipping-point/3492/62 "2023-09-25T22:28:56Z")
Here is where we are with EVs vs ICE: [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/clark/original/2X/e/e6a8aae9f7e591f16657625003887c5aa25366b6.jpeg "When It's Ready To Go Down It's Going Down 😳 w/ Neil deGrasse Tyson") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xu4J098pah4) And as for the government subsidizing EVs: [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/clark/original/2X/4/4290c6b54ce56c9fb43e54967158d0f7b8c79972.jpeg "Car Companies Made Us DO THIS Neil DeGrasse Tyson Joe Rogan JRE Clips | #shorts #joerogan #jre") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDfPUg5r6B8) ---
**Author:** ![H200h](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e79b87/32.png) [@H200h](https://community.clark.com/u/H200h)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 4:03am UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/are-we-nearing-the-ev-tipping-point/3492/63 "2023-09-26T04:03:51Z")
> [@Buynuthin](#): > > Not even near the tipping point. Only higher income people who can charge at home are buying EVs. The rest off the population will have to ‘eat cake’. > [@AustinBonds](#): > > Apartment dwellers will have a heck of a time conveniently charging an EV. > [@robertpri](#): > > I think any big city dwellers without a home system will have problems. ![EVsales](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/clark/original/2X/5/5a73a3a2a6ae53ff4f909709a12eaaa7e8b4ebf7.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![robertpri](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@robertpri](https://community.clark.com/u/robertpri)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 4:19am UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/are-we-nearing-the-ev-tipping-point/3492/64 "2023-09-26T04:19:11Z")
??? Meaning what? ---
**Author:** ![H200h](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e79b87/32.png) [@H200h](https://community.clark.com/u/H200h)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 3:02pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/are-we-nearing-the-ev-tipping-point/3492/65 "2023-09-26T15:02:35Z")
[Sorta like this](https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/exponential-growth-what-it-is-why-it-matters-and-how-to-spot-it/)… It means the EV Pandemic is spreading. 🤓 ---
**Author:** ![robertpri](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@robertpri](https://community.clark.com/u/robertpri)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 6:45pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/are-we-nearing-the-ev-tipping-point/3492/66 "2023-09-26T18:45:54Z")
> [@H200h](#): > > It means the EV Pandemic is spreading. I don’t think anyone questions the growth of EV’s. Several posters here have noted they do not think the potential problems have been addressed. [and mostly ignored] ---
**Author:** ![Buynuthin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7ea924/32.png) [@Buynuthin](https://community.clark.com/u/Buynuthin)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 8:35pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/are-we-nearing-the-ev-tipping-point/3492/67 "2023-09-26T20:35:39Z")
Everybody I know who has an EV loves it. Everybody I know who has an EV has their own private place to charge it 24/7. ---
**Author:** ![billinin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/47e85d/32.png) [@billinin](https://community.clark.com/u/billinin)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 9:08pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/are-we-nearing-the-ev-tipping-point/3492/68 "2023-09-26T21:08:08Z")
And probably don’t use it for work as in travel for work or need to transport goods, services or people. ---
**Author:** ![rjratnip](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/community.clark.com/rjratnip/32/1821_2.png) [@rjratnip](https://community.clark.com/u/rjratnip)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 9:43pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/are-we-nearing-the-ev-tipping-point/3492/69 "2023-09-26T21:43:36Z")
Our plugin hybrid gets about 33 miles on a charge. I love being able to do around town things in it on electric only. I could see loving an EV for my longer trips, all no more than 100 miles round trip from home, then charging at home. Still don’t want to travel long distances in one due to the challenges in charging on the road. By 2030 you won’t be able to buy an ICE vehicle in Washington State, but they have yet to mandate that the infrastructure be improved by then. ---
**Author:** ![robertpri](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@robertpri](https://community.clark.com/u/robertpri)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2023, 9:55pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/are-we-nearing-the-ev-tipping-point/3492/70 "2023-09-26T21:55:29Z")
> [@rjratnip](#): > > but they have yet to mandate that the infrastructure be improved by then. Neither does Cal. That’s one of the problems. ---
**Author:** ![robertpri](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@robertpri](https://community.clark.com/u/robertpri)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 3:40am UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/are-we-nearing-the-ev-tipping-point/3492/71 "2023-09-27T03:40:45Z")
Seems to me, to be a satisfied EV owner they need: 1-enough money to buy one 2-a secure, off-street parking area 3-an updated power supply for charging If any of those three are non-existent, they will have endless problems ---
**Author:** ![rjratnip](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/user_avatar/community.clark.com/rjratnip/32/1821_2.png) [@rjratnip](https://community.clark.com/u/rjratnip)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 2:35pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/are-we-nearing-the-ev-tipping-point/3492/72 "2023-09-27T14:35:17Z")
> [@robertpri](#): > > a secure, off-street parking area Like many cities with a shortage of housing, ours is seeing a surge in apartment buildings going up. I drove around a fairly new one the other day and it did not have any EV chargers anywhere to be seen. The people building these apartments have zero incentive to install them. If you happen to live near a Target or other store that has installed chargers, you can park your car there and walk home. My daughter’s boyfriend has a Tesla and the grocery store he shops at provides charging for free. He has a house, but leaves his Tesla at the store to charge and jogs the two miles home. His Tesla has security features, so he doesn’t worry about it. ---
**Author:** ![AustinBonds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/6bbea6/32.png) [@AustinBonds](https://community.clark.com/u/AustinBonds)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 3:31pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/are-we-nearing-the-ev-tipping-point/3492/73 "2023-09-27T15:31:46Z")
> [@rjratnip](#): > > Like many cities with a shortage of housing, ours is seeing a surge in apartment buildings going up. I drove around a fairly new one the other day and it did not have any EV chargers anywhere to be seen. Our town library installed chargers a few years ago. It is an 8 minute sidewalk walk from my apartment if I ever happened to get an EV. I see cars charging often when the library is closed so I guess people park and walk home nearby and come back. Or get a ride back , lol. I would get a Nissan Leaf if I could find one for cheap and still had life in the batteries. My work commute is very close. A Leaf would work fine. Thing is, I’d be out of luck going far in it without having to find chargers along the way. Also, not too sure we won’t have a generation of EVs in a few years that improve battery life and mileage per charge. Right now, a hybrid is a better choice. ---
**Author:** ![H200h](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e79b87/32.png) [@H200h](https://community.clark.com/u/H200h)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 4:35pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/are-we-nearing-the-ev-tipping-point/3492/74 "2023-09-27T16:35:40Z")
> [@rjratnip](#): > > Like many cities with a shortage of housing, ours is seeing a surge in apartment buildings going up. I drove around a fairly new one the other day and it did not have any EV chargers anywhere to be seen. [![](https://us1.discourse-cdn.com/flex016/uploads/clark/original/2X/e/ee8b501b8cba33db36b2a577e90ae1b52f843708.jpeg "Electric Vehicle Charging in NYC") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGj5xAXAo6g) ---
**Author:** ![H200h](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e79b87/32.png) [@H200h](https://community.clark.com/u/H200h)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 4:55pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/are-we-nearing-the-ev-tipping-point/3492/75 "2023-09-27T16:55:14Z")
> [@robertpri](#): > > Seems to me, to be a satisfied EV owner they need: > > 1-enough money to buy one > 2-a secure, off-street parking area > 3-an updated power supply for charging > > If any of those three are non-existent, they will have endless problems 1. A new Nissan Leaf costs less than $30k 2. 67% of US citizens live in single-family detached home 3. The median US SFR home has 200-amp service ---
**Author:** ![robertpri](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@robertpri](https://community.clark.com/u/robertpri)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 6:27pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/are-we-nearing-the-ev-tipping-point/3492/76 "2023-09-27T18:27:36Z")
> [@H200h](#): > > - A new Nissan Leaf costs less than $30k > - 67% of US citizens live in single-family detached home > - The median US SFR home has 200-amp service Interesting, but how is that related to what I posted? > [@robertpri](#): > > If any of those three are non-existent, they will have endless problems ---
**Author:** ![H200h](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e79b87/32.png) [@H200h](https://community.clark.com/u/H200h)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 7:40pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/are-we-nearing-the-ev-tipping-point/3492/77 "2023-09-27T19:40:57Z")
> [@robertpri](#): > > Interesting, but how is that related to what I posted? Because the things you say are deal breakers apply to less than half of the US population. Don’t you think any industry would be happy to have over 165,000,000 potential buyers? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![robertpri](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@robertpri](https://community.clark.com/u/robertpri)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2023, 8:10pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/are-we-nearing-the-ev-tipping-point/3492/78 "2023-09-27T20:10:45Z")
> [@H200h](#): > > Because the things you say are deal breakers apply to less than half of the US population. Heh, so ~150,000,000 folks are out of luck? > [@H200h](#): > > Don’t you think any industry would be happy to have over 165,000,000 potential buyers? I don’t care about the industry. I am referring to buyers / users. In ~2030, Cal and WA, [so far] can only buy EV’s. So, about half the people will be out olf luck. I suspect the prices of used ICE cars will skyrocket. ---
**Author:** ![billinin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/47e85d/32.png) [@billinin](https://community.clark.com/u/billinin)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 1:05pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/are-we-nearing-the-ev-tipping-point/3492/79 "2023-09-28T13:05:59Z")
> **[Six Problems With Electric Cars That Nobody Talks About](https://www.autoevolution.com/news/six-problems-with-electric-cars-that-nobody-talks-about-112221.html)** > > Electric vehicles are a favorite topic these days among automakers. Almost everybody has announced plans to build and sell EVs, while some brands already... ---
**Author:** ![billinin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/47e85d/32.png) [@billinin](https://community.clark.com/u/billinin)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2023, 1:50pm UTC](https://community.clark.com/t/are-we-nearing-the-ev-tipping-point/3492/80 "2023-09-28T13:50:51Z")
> [@robertpri](#): > > I am referring to buyers / users. In ~2030, Cal and WA, [so far] can only buy EV’s. So, about half the people will be out olf luck. Or it will drive the costs up so high more people will decide to join those who are already leaving high costs states. [Previous page](https://community.clark.com/t/are-we-nearing-the-ev-tipping-point/3492.md?page=3) [Next page](https://community.clark.com/t/are-we-nearing-the-ev-tipping-point/3492.md?page=5)